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Who's Responsible for Poor Clinical Systems Outcomes, Vendors or Customers?

posted 12/17/2005

Most of us agree that the hypothetical benefits of clinical information systems (including CPOE) have rarely been realized and documented. Hospitals keep buying, implementing, upgrading, and replacing, spending millions of dollars and stressing out staff, yet few examples exist of anything more than the reduction in minor errors that would not have harmed patients anyway. Nothing I've seen suggests improved productivity, reduced errors, decreased malpractice claims or premiums, or higher provider satisfaction.

Would other industries keep spending despite these pathetic results? Does anyone understand how few products exist in the clinical system marketplace, how old they are (either in design or technology,) and how few customers have installed them? Is it clear to the lay public that most hospitals are too little and too unprofitable to afford the big-name systems being installed by the big-name hospitals that aren't making much of a difference anyway? We have 5,000 hospitals and the best penetration of any given mainline product is, what, maybe 300 hospitals?

I absolutely believe that today's clinical applications leave a lot to be desired. They are often poorly designed, patched instead of rewritten, kicked out the door too early due to unreasonable commitments and disincentivizing contracts that encourage both vendor and customer to emphasize deadlines over quality.

Still, here's why I blame hospitals for the predictably unimpressive results being delivered by all of this clinical system churning.

First and foremost, hospitals are buying the stuff's that's out there, warts and all. They aren't doing their homework to find known flaws. They're whipping out the checkbook without regard to whether there's really anything suitable to buy. They'll kick out their current Product A in a tizzy to get Product B, while hospitals just like theirs boot Product B and announce high hopes for Product A. They buy on marginal "features," believe the claims of slick sales guys wearing $1,000 suits and working for their fifth HIT company, and believe their organization will have better results than all the high-profile failures before them.

Here's where hospitals are most guilty, however: they pay lip service to quality, change management, process redesign, and support of the clinician. Once the check's been signed, the IT types take over and immediately get mired in ugly details, forging an often-contentious vendor relationship and pushing clinicians mercilessly to just get the damned thing up and running so they can high-five and move on to the next IT project. All of the high-falutin' ideals go right out the window when the going gets tough, which is usually about five minutes after the contract has been signed.

All of us joke about how "you've seen one hospital, you've seen one hospital." Why is that? Why are we proud that no best practices are followed, no standards are applied, and no apparent rhyme or reason exists to explain why every hospital insists on doing things the same illogical way they always have? How many ways can you schedule a med, label a lab specimen, book surgery time, or document nursing care? Five thousand, apparently. No wonder it's such a pain to train even an experienced new hospital hire -- whatever they've learned is probably useless in another organization.

How can off-the-shelf software automate this mess and still remain a viable solution for enough customers to make the vendor profitable? Answer: it can't. That's why the handful of major clinical systems have been hacked to death: to find a large enough customer base, they had to be Frankensteined into an Everyman system that works for no one. There's plenty to dislike in every clinical system whether your hospital is 50 beds or 5,000, mostly because it was written to be sellable to hospitals from 5,000 beds to 50. If the auto industry was like the clinical system one, we'd have only ten cars to pick from, all of them competing for the exact same customers. Would you like a Hemi engine or a hybrid? Sporty or luxury model? Left-hand drive or right? Huge trunk or convertible? We've got them all, right here in this same model that unmotivated, marginally trained mechanics will adapt to your needs before sending you flying down the Interstate.

Every time I look at upcoming enhancements from one of the clinical systems vendors at my hospital, probably 75% of what they're developing doesn't interest me in the slightest. Canadianization. Interface changes that offer no new functionality. Database tweaking to improve poor system performance. Integration with other vendor products that we don't use. Reporting for a particular state or organization that we don't care about. Bug fixes for problems we've never had, for functions we've never used. The downside of trying to serve a heterogenous audience is that they all want something different, and plenty of software is ruined trying to keep everyone happy. Maybe every vendor should be like Epic Systems: don't be so greedy to take on customers that you know will fail; instead, target your product to those who will succeed and who meet your sweet spot.

Most of all, hospitals are really bad at truly changing processes. They are outstanding at making emotional, breast-beating pronouncements about they'll be different than the 100% of customers who've preceded them in trying and failing to shoehorn in new software without the hard work of changing people's jobs. There's always an excuse afterward: a relcacitrant VP, an indifferent nursing executive, a lack of physician support, newly discovered gaps in software functionality, impending JCAHO visits, a financial crisis, a shortage of licensed staff or fear of offending them, unionization, or changing priorities. Once the fun of going on site visits and getting attention from the vendor's suited minions is over, it's back to business as usual. I've been on the inside several times for this kind of enthusiasm lifecycle and it never varies. All of the high ideals go right out the window because it's hard, thankless work that no VP in his or her right mind and with career ambitions will champion.

Experiences like those at Children's Pittsburgh are unfortunately common, I suspect. They can knock Cerner all they want, but they must be a pretty stupid consumer if they bought software with all those problems or listened to incompetent consultants (despite no complaints from other hospitals using the same products and consultants.) Any wake-up call is as much as a warning to hospitals as it is to vendors. You alone are responsible for the tools you purchase and how they affect patient care. Buy carefully and implement even more carefully. In fact, if you're not serious about implementing change, just save the money and use it to hire more nurses and build more parking garages.




1. Anony-mouse left...
12/17/2005 9:06 pm

Poetic! Amen! When I was on the consulting side, I so quickly became disenchanted with the product we were selling because I knew these "truths":

1a. The vendor products usually were a mess of least common denominator functionality developed to fit a few customers who never used a tenth of the system's potential and then the vendor had to make it "saleable" to others and then downward spiral truly began. 1b. With the move to other clients, if there was any gap in the sales cycle, the critical architects, developers, and product visionaries were gone - either fed-up or made into sacrificial lambs. Then the system really begins to turn into an amalgamation of pointlessly denormalized data models, patch/glue code to keep "data integrity", and API/object/class replication as 20 different developers traipse through the code. 2. Pompous healthcare executives do beat their breasts about change and how they are going to change the world with this implementation but when it comes to dealing with those who dig in their heels, throw the political chaff to muddy the radar screen, etc., it suddenly becomes IT's fault or someone else's fault. 95 of 100 times, these people couldn't manage their way out of a wet paper bag and never really managed any somewhat complex implementation (be it policy, technology, process or combinations of those) 3a. Healthcare organizations are "entrepreneurial", or at least that is what they like to think, hence their fierce independence and "I'll have it my way" mentality... in school you are taught that this is how physicians are trained and you need to play to this to get things done, unfortunately, that just layers on the B.S. and causes more promises, more tedious "unique" requirements to attempt to satisfy and more headaches. This also causes the healthcare organizations to usually not call a bad idea, a bad idea, and then they "implement" everything - or at least they implement it for a quarter, until the next biggest and best thing comes along. Why is healthcare 7-10 years behind the trends in big-business fads? I think this jack of all trades mentality (master of NONE) is a big reason (along with all the pseudo-regulatory and governmental interventions because there isn't open-market economics to drive quality, "levels" of equality (yes, shoot at me for saying this), and accountability). 3b. Because there is too much noise on the radar AND because healthcare organizations never want to admit the pain and reality of implementations (and the crap that is on the market), the organizations never budget enough human capital to make the freakin' implementation a reality. Wake up, CEOs, COOs, CFOs, CMOs, and Medical Directors, the other $1000 suit wearing people, the consultants, can't help you either (unless you are willing to help yourself). This results in there being a few heroes and sacrificial lambs that may or may not get the system in-place and utilized while they drum-up significant business for the G.I.s (gastros) and psychiatrists (depression).

As I have written numerous times before, Epic is unique in this manner and I am glad you recognize that. Although I fear they have sold-out to "The Man" (Kaiser) with their latest implementation. Pieces of the modifications to the product are great but the strain on the organization and some of the rapid changes are very uncharacteristic for Epic and I hope they can maintain their level of excellence they have delivered for ALL their clients in the past.

All this said, I seriously believe their is a tremendous gap in products and everyone is bolting more-and-more crap onto their monoliths and still making sales in some cases. The problem is all this spaghetti eventually falls apart and really becomes troublesome for QA departments.

I believe that minimally systems need to get beyond "workflow" automation/orchestration (the latest bolt-on of the day) and really manage tasks and schedule the critical ones as well as provide timely notifications for some just-in-time services, hardwire the hand-offs, and really aid the healthcare air traffic controllers, the nurses and hospitalists. How many times does this happen in your facility... a patient is scheduled for a battery of tests, this is all determined near the end of a shift, the patient is supposed to go NPO, someone misses this, feeds them (the patient is glad to eat and usually isn't reminding anyone if they understood the directions they were given), then they go to get their test and the department rightfully asks if they fasted and then kicks them back because they ate, throwing the rest of the queue out-of-whack here and for all the other tests they are to get, if this patient is getting on in their Length of Stay "allocation", the case manager insists they get their test ASAP so crash the queue again screwing the patient and all the others who were fasting as well as causing more fires in all the other departments. This view of the healthcare universe requires a linkage between orders, task/event lists (scheduled and unscheduled), documentation, and reminders... the event model and monitoring mechanism is critical to making this happen.


2. Shahid N. Shah left...
12/18/2005 3:31 pm :: http://www.hitsphere.com

I spend much of my day in healthcare IT. However, I still work in non-healthcare IT departments for a large portion of my consulting work and I have to say that the environment you describe sounds very similar to the government IT landscape. Now, it' not an excuse but hopital CIOs shouldn't feel alone in their "one off" type of non-repeatable (or hard to repeat) solutions for healthcare because the same problems exist in other sectors like government.

What we can do is to learn from what's being done in other sectors:

1) Pour money into the problem. This rarely helps since getting more people involved in a bad project just makes it worse. This includes consultants and vendors -- adding more is not useful.

2) Replace systems that people don't like. This is often not useful because although people know what they don't like, they don't know <i>why</i> they don't like it. They can't articulate the issues nor devise a vision so that the next system is better than what they're currently replacing.

3) Start project management and enterprise architecture (EA) initiatives. I've seen this one gain some traction because it's focusing on the problems at hand: the vision for the organization, how IT fits into the vision, what we're hoping to get out of it, what workflows are already in place ("the as-is architecture"), where we want to be in X number of years ("the to-be architecture").

The Federal Enterprise Architecture (FEA) initiative launched several years ago is an attempt at the "understand what we do and where we want to go before we go out and replace systems" mentality. FEA has by no means been a huge success but it has helped us focus our efforts where we know we're weakest: understanding the requirements, people, and processes that make our business work before jumping into systems that help automate them.

I'll try and put together a quick guest blog posting soon on a potential "Healthcare Enterprise Architecture" (HEA?) that may start to address similar gaps of knowledge in the healthcare domain.

Now, by no means should we believe that having a successful HEA in place will alleviate all our problems. But, it's a step in the right direction.


3. plb left...
12/18/2005 7:43 pm

Have really enjoyed discussions on this and on Matthew’s blog on this topic…I have voiced many of these points in the past in the workplace..yet it seems that the IT Pied Piper is just leading so many hospitals down the road towards a “me too” and “the ultimate solution” for all the ills of the industry…most recently this has led me to the impossible position as follows…with a background of 20 years in IT, clinical, healthcare admin and business process improvement, I have been less than enthusiastic about a current initiative to replace my hospital’s CIS and eventual conversion to a EMR…for one thing the IT department is understaffed and under achieving, this smells like a failure in the process; for another, the choice to bring in a consultant for the RFI and RFP sessions is a monumental waste of resources, over 100K for a small community hospital; and for another, the underwhelming quality of the products and their demos makes it a choose the “least of the worst” multimillion dollar decision. I have tried to talk about “how about we look at what’s wrong in our current processes first?” but the steamroller to “automate” healthcare is too fast and furious for that voice to be heard. I am certainly a proponent of technology, but I am afraid we are heading to a situation where we simply change from bad processes to automated bad processes, not considering the staff and organization culture and competencies in the selection process.


4. Kelly Clark left...
12/20/2005 7:44 pm

Let us not forget the multiple purposes for which these systems were designed - enabling the provision of care, documenting the care provided, billing for the care, tracking the work flow components of the care, and gathering various types of data to be sold and combined and crunched into best practices (someday). The systems are not designed to serve a single master well, and so serve many masters poorly.


5. Bob-LaBla left...
12/21/2005 10:42 am

Who's Responsible for Poor Clinical Systems Outcomes, Vendors or Customers?

Anony-Mouse says "the healthcare universe requires a linkage between orders, task/event lists (scheduled and unscheduled), documentation, and reminders... the event model and monitoring mechanism is critical to making this happen."

Simply stated, painfully true. Hasn't this always been the case? Before even computers were a gleam in someone's eye? Why are we fooling ourselves by thinking we can automate medical care workflow so effectively? Is it arrogance? Greed? After many years of working in healthcare IT, I now question our clinical IT strategies more than ever. We all need to share blame for our current state. It is very true we have a crowd mentality with regard to clinical IT and implementation and, unfortunately, U.S. demographics are working against us with more older Americans ...potentially more chronically ill that can live longer than ever. We need better and more effective workflow approaches...soon! We need an injection of diverse thinking in my opinion. Dare I say it..simplification. HIT vendors are not that creative in my opinion..never will...they have legacy revenue streams to protect. Who else can or should we invite to this topic that would bring new perspective? I feel we are pouring IT related budget money down the drain today that could be put to better more immediate visible benefit.

Happy Holidays to everyone! Enjoy all of your comments!